Fuster-Fabra: “The Oikos? It is a shell without content”

– At what stage is Operation Oikos at the moment?

“At this time, the latest is the recent resolution of the judge who decides to continue with the investigation. He has requested the statement of the Reus footballers, has requested that the bank statements of the invoices be delivered that at the time said that they had been used to use that money for the payment of premiums to third parties … In short, what he has decided is to continue the instruction for the moment, although has made it clear that there will be a pronouncement one way or the other at the time when you have to decide whether to take these people to trial or not. We had considered that there were enough elements to dismiss. However, the judge has decided to continue the investigation, and we will always respect the judge's decisions. “

-Did all the parties request the dismissal?

“The judge wants to complete the investigation. We believed that it could be dismissed, because which starts with a sports betting issue, then follows for a strange reason the possible payment of bonuses to third parties for winning, and even what the police do is register the accounts of the Reus players … and what appears is that there is no type of strange payment. Now the judge takes their statement and it is his criterion. On the subject of works, all invoices for the works related to El Alcoraz have been submitted and with the services provided by the catering company. Now what the judge asks for are the bank statements to prove that these bills have been paid. If the judge wants to verify it, we accept this criterion, although we consider that it could be dismissed, but we are absolutely convinced that they will result in the payments being real.

-Does your client, Agustín Lasaosa, be affected in any way?

“The judge le will take a statement to say if on a page there is his handwriting or there is no his handwriting. That sheet was attributed everything to him and then it became clear that not all the letter is his. It invites you to testify and depending on what you declare, an expert test will or will not be performed. This is the only thing that affects Agustín Lasaosa“.

-Has the evolution of Operation Oikos gone from a betting plot to a third-party premium?

It's funny because this starts with some phone calls that They have nothing to do with Huesca or with anyone from Huesca and presumably the first thing that is said is that there could have been a bet-fixing. This size completely falls apart and the case takes a turn and it becomes the payment of bonuses to Reus for winning a game. As the investigation progresses, it has been seen that this is not possible either. First, the police themselves have said that there is no irregular movement in the accounts of the Reus players and second, is that everything is based on assumptions. “

“They interpret terms, according to the mechanics used by the police, at the time the money is delivered to Reus, those amounts allegedly had already been allegedly returned to the people who allegedly delivered them with the corresponding interest. It is a Completely illogical question. An example: I ask for money to carry out an illegal operation and I promise to return it with interest over time, when I return that money with interest I no longer have that money. This is what had happened according to police speculation. Now everything hangs on two conversations, in one of them a player says that he is going to bring a gift to other players, which is a well-known sweet in the region, and the other that says that there is a debt of 50 euros for an oil. Until proven otherwise, it is normal for you to bring a gift to a player you know from the opposing team, and The other thing that 50 euros of oil turns into 250,000 euros of premium payments, is a really striking qualitative leap“.

-Regarding your client, Agustín Lasaosa, there was talk of a manuscript in which some figures appeared. Has that evidence been reused for the two investigated cases?

“That manuscript was originally supposed to be the explanation for sports betting and when it turned out that it was unreasonable, that happened to be the supposed explanation of supposed payments of premiums to Reus. That manuscript it doesn't even have Mr. Lasaosa's handwriting, at least in a very important part of it. That manuscript, anyone who sees it can give rise to many interpretations. Apparently, it serves both to justify an accusation for sports betting and for an imputation of payments to third parties “.

-Is there no proof? Has everything been falling apart under its own weight?

The essentials, yes. Of course, then they talk about the game and say that a team was dominated. Look at you, at the end of the season many things happen. For example, in the 19/20 season in Cádiz-Albacete, They play one who has just gone up to First against another who does not want to go down to Second B, the first against the last and the last one wins. Madrid in Leganés? They won five games in a row and could only draw against the Lega who was playing down to Second … There are speculations of results. We have put a lot of examples. People say that the party of Huesca and Nástic that if the Huesca did not make an effort … There are games in which very favorite teams don't win. The one who plays more, makes an effort and gets results against the one who does not play anything. When they say that if Huesca was allowed to win against Nástic, then that is speculation. That week the Huesca players were partying and celebrating all week and played with less intensity… These speculations can be made in any division of Spanish football. And then convert Almudévar braids into monetary amounts and 50 euros of oil in 250,000 euros of premium payments… “.

-Not only as a lawyer … as an expert, what do you think?

“The reasonable thing is that there is no evidence to uphold the charges. It must be remembered that Agustín Lasaosa was arrested on two occasions, something that is very strange in the same procedure. The reasonable thing would be for the dismissal to be decreed and for the dignity and honor of these people to be released.. I admit a provisional dismissal in case very strange things appear later, although it is impossible for them to appear because they have not done anything. What is appropriate for me is that the dismissal is issued because we can find what happens many times in this country, because suppose that the braid is money and that the oil is money and that Huesca played worse that day … with all this we go to trial and there is an acquittal, but that sentence is late. What we have asked, along with what Huesca has asked, what other defendants have asked, is that they thoroughly analyze all this and see if there are rational indications to maintain our accusation. We think not. “

-Are there time limits?

“What are we going to do is to wait for all these tests to be performed, we ask that they be done as quickly as possible and then absolutely everything in the procedure can be analyzed and we believe that our request for dismissal is still valid and also these tests will give us even more reasons. They are proceedings on things that have already been seen, that are explained.

-As a lawyer he has seen many different cases, for example he defended Sandro Rosell. What is your opinion of Operation Oikos?

“It's an empty shell of content. The shell is a series of assumptions and theoretical approaches, but in terms of content it is increasingly seen that it has less, there is practically none “.

-How has Agustín Lasaosa lived this whole situation?

“Agustín Lasaosa is my client, but now he is also my friend. He is one of the best people I know, one of the noblest and most honest that I have ever met in my life. A lawyer can defend people because he is his client, but Agustín is my friend. He's a soccer man, soccer is his life. Huesca is his life. He has had to step aside to be able to deal with this well. I have already told you that my greatest wish, because I am also a very football fan, is that next year we can enjoy a Huesca-Espanyol in Primera to be able to enjoy it together.